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MidlandDeltic |
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071 definitely still in (extremely scruffy) orange outside Inchicore this morning.
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Commuter 29422 |
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31/08/2007:
077 - 1600 Dublin Connolly - Sligo 078 - Ballina to Waterford Norfolk liner 080 - Waterford to Ballina Norfolk liner 081 - 1110 Dublin Heuston - Galway 082 - Tara Mines Ore trains: north through Raheny at 1615 with 10 empties 084 - at Inchicore Works at 0930 085 - 0915 Galway - Dublin Heuston Commuter 29422 (GM 160) |
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GM233 |
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Pairs of 141s sadly aren't up to the task of rescuing a MK4 set and hauling it to its destination. after a 201 fails on a MK4 passengers are irate enough without having to tell them a few miles on "Sorry but the 45 yr old rescue loco has failed too". Next time you are travelling out of Cork listen to how hard the loco has to work to push the brutish MK4s up to Rathpeacon, and thats a 3200HP machine!! An 071 is a happy medium they are available for the 3 exclusively Pilot workings at Athlone,Portlaoise and Limerick Junction and still have enough strength in numbers to cover most freight workings which they are suitable for.
Only yesterday 081 proved her worth coming to the rescue when 234 failed on the 1530 ex Cork. I would hope that in the next yr or so some of them might receive railcar compatible drophead dellner couplers for easy coupling to 2600,2700,2800,29000 and 22000 Railcars quickly should the need arise. That would make them truely versatile. However I.E probably could't make a financial case for this equipment as even in the 2700s darkest days of trying to destroy the Rosslare line it has always been incredibly rare for I.E locos to haul stricken railcars. |
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Connaught Ranger |
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Dont know about that, still being able to mussle up the strength to haul laden norfolks and timbers I am sure a few carriages are not that big a challenge once in a while! It does not say much for the 13 year old locos that seem to be the problem on a weekly basis hauling the Mark iv trains.
Interesting to know how late the Cork trains are by the time the rescue loco puts its trousers on and hauls the dead duck to its destination! |
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GM233 |
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Pairs of 141s have never been ideally suited to hauling long air braked passenger trains!! There is a much higher demand on the compressors as they are supplying the brake system, each coaches air reservoir, air for the doors, air suspension, even ridiculous things like the drivers seat in the DVT, air dampers in the hVAC system you name it!!! So pity the poor passengers who would have to wait while they huffed and puffed trying to charge up 8 coaches and a dead loco on the back all 440tons approx!! They'd never manage to get up to any decent speed whereas an 071 can and has rescued MK4s and been sufficently fast to continue as a service train to Dublin.
Bo-Bos are much better on freight where their lower power to wheel ratio allows them to avoid the wheel slip problems which often plagues the 071s. Also they are particularly useful on Limerick bound freight as 071s are not permitted to Kilmastulla or Castlemungret. However now even pairs of bo-Bos are banned off the norfolk in certain instances if the load is too heavy-h.gricer can probably elaborate??? Anyhow Connaught this time next yr i'm sure it'll be an orange 201 sitting in Athlone or Portlaoise on Pilot duty and 071s dawdling around with a few per way flats and ballast hoppers about the system!!! The nature of the changing railway. |
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Connaught Ranger |
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It does not make sense that a brand new train has to be dependent on a 'rescue' loco. It gives a signal from within the railway that the MarkIV is unreliable. If the problem is 201s then I think its time to remove them from the railway and pray to high heavens that the 22000 are capable of doing their job and put them on both Cork & Belfast. You can cover it up any way you like but the MarkIV will be seen as a bad buy yet just like the Dietrich!!
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MV038 |
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On the contrary, Virgin have rescue locomotives for their 'brand new' Pendolinos and Voyagers and it makes perfect sense to have them.
What happens if you get a failure and there's no rescue locomotive?? You're looking at crazy delays, and more likely than not having to use another service train to rescue the dead one resulting in further delays and complications for passengers. Factor the many single track sections on Irish Rail into that and you've got a recipe for absolute mayhem. I haven't heard of any new train, locomotive hauled or railcar that has never failed or needed to be rescued at some point. |
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Niall088 |
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085 was heading out of Heuston on Sat 1st September 2007 with the refurbished mk2d rake, approximately ten past ten this morning. Not sure what working this was.
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Commuter 29422 |
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02/09/2007:
077 - 1905 Dublin Connolly to Sligo (7 piece Mk.2 set) 079 - at Connolly loco shed at 1920. Commuter 29422 (GM 160) |
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227 River Laune |
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Sunday 2-9-07
Adding to GM160's post above: 072 Athlone Thunderbird 073 Timber - Westport?? 074 Portlaoise? 081 12:00 Galway - Heuston, 19:20 Heuston - An Rth Limerick GAA spl. , Ety An Rth - Cork. 082 - Drogheda 083 10:35 Athlone - Westport, 14:25 Westport - Heuston, Ety with Mk2s Heuston to Athlone for 07:10 tomorrow. 085 Limerick - Heuston GAA spl. (Mk2s), 15:15 Heuston - Galway, 18:50 ety Galway - Athlone for 05:05 ex Athlone tomorrow. 227 River Laune |
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Connaught Ranger |
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083 noted strolling across Lough Atalia in the City of the Tribalmen this morning. Running around its train to form the 09:15 departure to capital city.
A breath of fresh air!! |
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Platform10 |
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Quote: The rescue locomotive is not there specifically for the "brand new train". It is there to ensure that in the event of ANY train failure that the failed train is moved promptly and there is minimum delays caused to the schedule. It is the schedule that requires the locomotives not the train!!! Failures happen to all rolling stock at some stage and it is far better to be prepared with locomotives that can haul ANY type of train without difficulty. The requirement to maintain the schedule is vital given the intensity of the service (which will grow further as the schedule develops). |
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T14 444 |
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Precisely!!!
As noted above, Virgin (and GNER) have kept "Thunderbird" locos at strategic points principally to rescue any of their trains which "fall down" but also to remove someone else's train if it "falls down" in front of (say) a Pendolino. It is NOT an indication that the new train is not reliable and WILL fail - it is an Insurance Policy. Slightly off tack - but by the same argument as put in posts above one could argue that fitting modern cars with airbags is proof that they WILL crash. Again not so - it is an "Insurance Policy" in case it happens. |
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MidlandDeltic |
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To get back to the "watch" - 085 on the 1750 Heuston - Galway tonight - sounding nice, almost like a Deltic as it left Portarlington, audible for ages!
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Three Aspect |
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You're right there Midland Deltic - 085 sounds fantastic.
It was on one of the Limerick Specials yesterday morning. He started notching up as he came out of the curve at the old Thurles Beet Factory Sidings. The sound was pure magic. I could still hear him long after he had gone through the station, heading for Templemore. Highlight of the day for me. Probably highlight of the day for the GAA punters on board too, after what happened at Croker. |
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Csalem |
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077 was in Connolly this evening.
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secondlaststop |
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077 on the Sligo this evening.
DSE [an edit] PS - sorry to repeat the message already posted by Csalem, but I swear his wasn't up when I added the above! |
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101sean |
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080 was on liner into Waterford at 8pm tonight, I was held up at level crossing on Dublin road for 10 minutes by 2 freight trains!! The liner was preceeded by cement bubbles hauled by a grubby pair of baby GMs, couldn't see numbers.
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metrovick001 |
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Your a lucky man, its not too often that ya can get held up by two freight trains in a row in Ireland these days!!
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