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scrapman752	Inchicore	Lead	[-]
Posts: 75 (22/09/09 10:05:45) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Anyone got a list of what rolling stock was at the works on Saturday when the IRRS visited the works
h gricer		#1	[-]
Posts: 444 (22/09/09 17:46:42) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Don't mention that visit, yeah I was on the ''so call visit'' which was a pure waste of time, didn't get to see any rolling stock, infact I should have taken a railcar to Kildare and back I would have seen more from a passing train, a most unwelcome experience, a request to see some of the ITG preserved locomotives and other withdrawn rolling stock was refused, we where also refused to view the RPSI rolling stock in the restored carriage shed, don't know who's idea that was, the RPSI or other powers to be, yet an RPSI volunteer was selling books outside the carriage shop but we where refused to enter. I felt sorry for the younger members, it possible be that the last year to see preserved locomotives at Inchicore Works, Iv seen it all before over the years, Iv good memories, last Saturday was not a good memory, its a good hobby, last Saturday did not serve the hobby well it just inflated certain egos, sadly. Kind Regards to all h.gricer
219RiverTolka		#2	[-]
Posts: 140 (22/09/09 18:22:53) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was intending to go to Inchicore but it turned out that I was rostered to work that day. Seems I missed nothing though.
TonyRPSI	RPSI Stock	#3	[-]
Posts: 154 (23/09/09 00:38:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	See later post. Last Edited By: TonyRPSI 23/09/09 16:56:24. Edited 2 times.
dmcronin		#4	[-]
Posts: 129 (23/09/09 08:03:15) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	It's no wonder people are turning away from the Irish scene. I now prefer taking my interest overseas. Was pleasantly surprised to be granted access to Bangkok Noi shed, in the words of Tommy Cooper 'just like that'. No health and safety Gestapo or compo culture.
GM 134		#5	[-]
Posts: 265 (23/09/09 09:13:25) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	"It's no wonder people are turning away from the Irish scene. I now prefer taking my interest overseas. Was pleasantly surprised to be granted access to Bangkok Noi shed, in the words of Tommy Cooper 'just like that'. No health and safety Gestapo or compo culture." Too Right dmcronin, Health and Safety is nothing short of a complete and utter joke in this country. "Can't do this, can't do that, you might fall and graze you're knee" blaa blaa blaa. I found it funny that very strangely all the preserved and "interesting" stock - bar the Suzler was moved behind the carrage shops; almost as if they knew we were coming... Regards, GM 134
121x2		#6	[-]
Posts: 304 (23/09/09 15:06:02) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	TonyRPSI wrote: This post was modified as it appears that the subsequent posters were unwilling to accept a reasonable explanation. TonyRPSI , could you explain what you meant by ' a reasonable explaination' ? regarding last Saturdays visit to Inchicore - it was a joke ! I have been going every year for 30 years with the IRRS and I have never been made feel so unwelcome as I did last Saturday. Inchicore Works now only holds memories for those of us lucky enough to have seen it in the good times. B121x2
TonyRPSI	RPSI stock	#7	[-]
Posts: 155 (23/09/09 16:32:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	In my previous post I suggested that those who were unhappy with the contents of the visit should refer the matter back to the IRRS. No prior request was received to have the RPSI stock available on the day. The current stabling of both the sets is not suitable for public access. I don't want to drag up the whole H&S thing but in this day of claim, claim, claim, we have to ensure that the public are safe when on or near our trains. In any event both our sets are in regular use and anyone who wishes can photograph to their hearts content when the train runs.
GM 134		#8	[-]
Posts: 266 (23/09/09 17:15:25) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Tony, I appriecate the reply, however before everyone went in were were all told that if anything happens to us - e.g if we trip or fall or break a bone or anything then we can't sue the company, and we all (as a group) agreeded before looking round. It's been the same every year - (at least any time I've been there) before we set off, be careful, watch where you're going. which I completly agree, if someone trips up and falls for whatever reason then it's their own fault for not watching where they were going, and not offering due care to where they are, it's nothing to do with the company. No one fell, and there were no incidents, however we were only allowed to see round the "bare minimum" this time as opposed to previous visits, wern't allowed round the side of the carrage shops to see the A class, C class, 121's etc, we wern't allowed round to the side of the paint shop to see the Mk3's or the redundant stock, all change from last year. Correct me if I'm wrong but I got the impression as if we wern't welcome and we were only been shown round the "bare minimum" if you wish, with the health & safety used as an excuse. All of the above is my personal opinion, I'm just curious to see why we wern't allowed round to see all the "interesting" rolling stock, it seemd to me as if anything worth a photo (as in locos, rolling stock etc) had been shunted out of the way prior to the IRRS visit taking place. Again, this is just my own views and opinions from what I saw/and how I feel about the day, Kind Regards, GM 134 Last Edited By: GM 134 23/09/09 17:18:50. Edited 1 times.
TonyRPSI		#9	[-]
Posts: 156 (23/09/09 17:41:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	GM134, I do understand where you are coming from. I was only speaking about RPSI stock, which is why I suggest going back to the IRRS who organised the visit.
UKTrainSpotter		#10	[-]
Posts: 139 (23/09/09 19:42:39) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tony, in fairness I doubt if anyone is holding the RPSI or the IRRS responsible for the curtailed viewing in Inchicore last week. I would be very surprised if anyone were to challenge your position on this. Whilst I wasn't there on the day (for once!), I have spoken to a few who did go and who were a little let down by their experience. Based on previous years and the recent open day, I reckon this gave rise to expectations that were not met on the day last weekend. Part of the H&S thing is understandable given the events of the last four weeks which have seen the Malahide Viaduct collapse, a serious bus/Luas accident, and only yesterday there were four separate accidents involving Dublin Buses. The sum total of these events has landed several in hospital, and taught all concerned some salutary lessons about safety. Having said that, the IRRS tours are always very well organised, and attended by people who are responsible and disciplined. To my mind, there has never been any accidents or incidents in the works during previous IRRS visits, so bearing this in mind, I too am puzzled to understand why there have been reports what I would describe as "hardened attitudes" to the visitors. I don't know, but perhaps there might have been a jobsworth at work somewhere who decided that things would be done their way? Again this has nothing to do with IRRS or RPSI, who have always done their best to accommodate those with a genuine interest in rail, and I for one would wish both groups every success in their efforts.
garfieldsghost		#11	[-]
Posts: 217 (23/09/09 23:30:16) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	UKTrainSpotter wrote: Tony, in fairness I doubt if anyone is holding the RPSI or the IRRS responsible for the curtailed viewing in Inchicore last week... I'm afraid it looks like that's what H Gricer is alluding to in his post above, when he says: "...a request to see some of the ITG preserved locomotives and other withdrawn rolling stock was refused, we where also refused to view the RPSI rolling stock in the restored carriage shed, don't know who's idea that was, the RPSI or other powers to be, yet an RPSI volunteer was selling books outside the carriage shop but we where refused to enter..." I'd echo Tony's recommendation to contact the IRRS in relation to the matter, as they arranged the visit to the works and can presumably make arrangements with IÉ to ensure disappointments of this nature don't occur again. Next Heritage Railway Group meeting: Oslo Bar, Connolly Station, Dublin 1, Sat. October 3rd at 2.30pm. www.heritagerailway.ie www.newirishlines.org Last Edited By: garfieldsghost 23/09/09 23:35:04. Edited 1 times.
Mayner		#12	[-]
Posts: 341 (24/09/09 06:20:39) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The IRRS visits to Inchacore seem to have got more and more restrictive down the years with more and more areas becoming out of bounds and that was over 20 years ago . Whats seen is very much dependent on the individual guide on the day, engineering staff tend to work in watertight compartments a maintenance supervisor from the carriage shop or wheel man would have absolutely no interest in locomotives let alone withdrawn rolling stock. Back in the 1980s I remember a guide taking a group directly down to the wheel lathe and directly back to the exit, the lathe was his pride and joy, to him nothing else was of the slighest interest. On a memorable private visit in the 1990s a group of us were even escorted through the running shed our guide was one of the few managers with all round knowledge of the Works and a fellow enthiusast. John
UKTrainSpotter		#13	[-]
Posts: 140 (24/09/09 11:01:35) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	garfieldsghost wrote: UKTrainSpotter wrote: Tony, in fairness I doubt if anyone is holding the RPSI or the IRRS responsible for the curtailed viewing in Inchicore last week... I'm afraid it looks like that's what H Gricer is alluding to in his post above, when he says: "...a request to see some of the ITG preserved locomotives and other withdrawn rolling stock was refused, we where also refused to view the RPSI rolling stock in the restored carriage shed, don't know who's idea that was, the RPSI or other powers to be, yet an RPSI volunteer was selling books outside the carriage shop but we where refused to enter..." I'd echo Tony's recommendation to contact the IRRS in relation to the matter, as they arranged the visit to the works and can presumably make arrangements with IÉ to ensure disappointments of this nature don't occur again. I can't dispute that those comments were made, but I understood the general thrust of the post to be that the interesting areas of Inchicore were off-limits, including those used by RPSI and ITG. These areas were not restricted during previous IRRS visits, and requests on the day to go to these areas were declined. Again, not the fault of IRRS / ITG /RPSI.
Losty Dublin		#14	[-]
Posts: 452 (24/09/09 11:37:13) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As of late, there has been a lot of shunting in and around the areas that the ITG and the RPSI work in; even at the weekend there is movements that need these areas to be clear. Any railway man will tell you that the most likely time for injuries are around shunting movements. Even with the sensible and well stewarded members of the IRRS, you cannot expect members of the general public to be exposed to risks nor can Irish Rail be prepared to chance anything; we've all seen a few chancers on rail tours who do daft and dangerous things for the sake of a photograph. www.heritagerailway.ie/
garfieldsghost		#15	[-]
Posts: 218 (24/09/09 11:41:22) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	UKTrainSpotter wrote: I can't dispute that those comments were made, but I understood the general thrust of the post to be that the interesting areas of Inchicore were off-limits, including those used by RPSI and ITG. These areas were not restricted during previous IRRS visits, and requests on the day to go to these areas were declined. Again, not the fault of IRRS / ITG /RPSI. Yes, that is the general thrust of the thread. I was just pointing out that, despite Tony's clarification of matters above, the RPSI have been wrongfully viewed as having an active role in the debacle... I agree, it's not the fault of the IRRS, ITG or RPSI. I suggested that the matter be referred back to the IRRS to make them aware of people's concerns and so they can ensure their members aren't treated so flippantly during future visits. Next Heritage Railway Group meeting: Oslo Bar, Connolly Station, Dublin 1, Sat. October 3rd at 2.30pm. www.heritagerailway.ie www.newirishlines.org Last Edited By: garfieldsghost 24/09/09 14:23:26. Edited 1 times.
UKTrainSpotter		#16	[-]
Posts: 141 (24/09/09 12:37:36) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	garfieldsghost wrote: Yes, that is the general thrust of the thread. I was just pointing out that, despite Tony's clarification of matters above, the RPSI have been wrongfully viewed as having an active role in the debacle... I agree, it's not the fault of the IRRS, TRG or RPSI. I suggested that the matter be referred back to the IRRS to make them aware of people's concerns and so they can ensure their members aren't treated so flippantly during future visits. I agree too. Perhaps there has been some miscommunication on several fronts, and hopefully the appropriate steps will be taken to help ensure things run more smoothly next time. Last Edited By: UKTrainSpotter 24/09/09 12:40:29. Edited 1 times.
UKTrainSpotter		#17	[-]
Posts: 142 (24/09/09 12:49:56) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Losty Dublin wrote: As of late, there has been a lot of shunting in and around the areas that the ITG and the RPSI work in; even at the weekend there is movements that need these areas to be clear. Any railway man will tell you that the most likely time for injuries are around shunting movements. Even with the sensible and well stewarded members of the IRRS, you cannot expect members of the general public to be exposed to risks nor can Irish Rail be prepared to chance anything; we've all seen a few chancers on rail tours who do daft and dangerous things for the sake of a photograph. You can say that again. 99.9% of folk on rail tours are there to enjoy themselves, have some fun, and importantly, they do as they are told. Then there's the other 0.1% who shouldn't be let out anywhere, let alone a railway.
Redstarcastles		#18	[-]
Posts: 142 (24/09/09 17:26:47) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well said UKTrainSpotter and unfortunately some of these fools have been badly hurt if not worse in the past. I didn't do the Inchicore trip this year and I guess that H&S has cracked down on where people can go now. I suppose that just because no-one hasn't got hurt yet, doesn't mean it won't at some time. Lets be careful though that this isn't the last year of the trip to the works. I would suggest that if the interconnector is given the go ahead, there will be no more trips to Inchicore.
scrapman752		#19	[-]
Posts: 78 (24/09/09 19:12:37) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Well from reading all the posts it looks like i didnt miss much at the works .Mybe a post from the IRRS could clear up any questions that need answered about the works. One question why is there no email contact address on the IRRS website.
Commuter 29422		#20	[-]
Posts: 2466 (24/09/09 22:32:47) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Redstarcastles wrote: ...........and I guess that H&S has cracked down on where people can go now................ You've hit the nail on the head there Redstarcastles. It's not the fault of the IRRS (or ITG/RPSI) for what people were and were not allowed to see at the Inchicore visit! The IRRS organise that tour each year in so far as they are granted permission for a guided tour of the works, which is becoming more and more difficult to organise each year. They can not decide where people can and can not go, this is up to IÉ and the H&S department. In relation to "the matter be referred back to the IRRS to make them aware of people's concerns and so they can ensure their members aren't treated so flippantly during future visits". As a (working) member of the IRRS, I can assure you that the IRRS are well aware of people's concerns and unhappiness of the tour (many people said it to me up in Inchicore itself and also to some of the committee members), but they are powerless to do anything about the situation as, again, it's not up to them to decide what people can see and where they go, (it's decided by IÉ and H&S), and if there's complaints lodged, IÉ are well within their rights to cancel any future visits; after all those visits are only arranged on a goodwill basis. Hope this answers people's concerns and questions, Kind regards, Commuter 29422

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