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One post above mentions the Community in areas close to the Waterford/Limerick line. One thing that has been tried in the UK and has been successful in terms
of revenue increase is to appoint a person to manage a particular line with a view to making it more known to the surrounding populace, increase passenger
numbers and therefore revenue and generally tie in with surrounding activities, tourist attractions and the like. It is NOT a job for a seasoned rail person
who is set in their ways of thinking and doing but rather a job for a younger enthusiastic person not saddled with the past and whose first inclination is not
to say 'NO' to any way of improvement. One thinks back a fair way to the Settle & Carlisle route that came pretty close to closure but an
enthusiastic set of people said otherwise. On the same example the people wishing to shut the line cited the cost of fettling the Ribblehead viaduct as being
too costly, but an imaginative and thinking engineer from Preston found a cheaper way of doing the job and therefore helped to save the line. Now look at it!!
Likewise here; include the Limerick to Rosslare line plus Limerick to Ballybrophy in his/her brief. Find an imaginative and enthusiastic person who can employ
vision and energy in getting the lines more popular and thus help save them. Make suggestions and carry them through rather than be put off by some deskbound
eejit sat on his/her fat backside who can't be bothered to think let alone have a vision!! Too often good ideas are squashed by these sort of people. At
least give it a go!!
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MGH2 |
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From http://railwayeye.blogspot.com/ :-
Rail chiefs in the Emerald Isle have come up with a master plan to revive the flagging fortunes of their lightly used lines, including the famed Limerick Junction to Waterford route. Iarnród Éireann seem determined to copy the worst ideas from Britain's Department for Transport and have proposed acquiring a hybrid railbus from Japan, or even a Parry People Mover, to cut the operating costs of the 54 mile line. Wags are already scouring the land for an elastic band of suitable size. According to Irish Rail's Spin O'Meister, Barry Kenny, the vehicle is one of a number of cost-cutting options on the route which sees only 54,000 passengers a year. Seasoned observers of the Irish rail scene have better ideas. Perhaps IE might actually promote the route or even provide a timetable that gives useful connections out of Limerick Junction. A Sunday service might also help. To be fair Kenny appears to be doing his bit. In May highly respected Irish Times hack Brian O'Connell travelled the line. Sadly he had to suffer a 61 minute wait for a connection at Limerick Junction. With the best will in the world this sort of journey won't make for a compelling travel piece. Of course this may be exactly what Irish Rail chiefs want. Any increase in passenger numbers would scupper plans to close the line. Which is why the case for a hybrid railcar appears so compelling. With the option to run the railcar in road mode the line between Limerick Junction and Waterford could then be closed for
'essential maintenance' - permanently!
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T14 444 |
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Bottom line seems to be that IE are as enthusiastic about promoting passenger services (off the main Inter City lines) as they are railfreight...............
Plenty of words claiming to be interested but no action at all.
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jhb171achill |
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The W & L line and the way it's been run has been poor not just recently, but for some forty or fifty years now.... And even IT is better than the
South Wexford line!!!!!
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tallmanirl |
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I agree that the lack of a Sunday service is scandalous. Also, the DMUs are relatively recent introductions. If IE are seriously considering this at this stage
for branch lines, why were the DMUs bought? Also, the fact that you can't get to Limerick before 9:15 is crazy, esp when it is so close to, but too late
for working peoples' travelling times.
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MGH2 wrote:What a pity they didn't think of this in 2003. It could simply have run round the Cahir viaduct! |
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Ardvarna |
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Eerie-ish Railway News A tongue in cheek review of news on the railways NEW IE TRAINOPLANE Ironroad Eerie spokesman Kenny Barry was on Mothball Ireland this week outlining plans to enter into a joint venture with Aer Ara-Go-On to modify Islander aircraft using railwheels instead of conventional tyres as landing gear. The hybrid units are for use between the remote Limbrick Junction (or somewhere in the middle of nowhere sounding like that), to the City of Waterfiord. An excited Ironroad Eerie spokesman said the trainoplanes will take off using the first 100 yards of the Limbrick Junction - Tip-rarely section, and touch down / take off on 200 yards of retained track at a number of intermediate stations before finally landing on the roof of Waterfiord Flunkett Station. IE will then be in a position to remove 49 miles of dirty ol' railway track between the two points, returning the land to the hardpressed neighbouring farmers from whom they seized it about 150 years ago. An Oirish Times newspaper article today quotes a local farmer in CarryOnSure - "I remember well the day they came in and told my aging parents that they were taking the bottom half of the hill field for the railway. My mother cursed them and said "that iron horse will never have more than a cartload on its back" - and so it was, as Ironroad Eerie cheerfully admit today "there was never a demand, is no demand and never will be a demand for a conventional train service on this route", which actually connects Limbrick City and Waterfiord City. The latter fact is a closely guarded national secret on the island of Eerie. In an unprecedented act of workplace partnership Train Drivers in Waterfiord have unanimously proposed that the first flight carry the Marketing/PR Team of Ironroad Eerie and that Kenny Barry be allowed to drive unsupervised. Their admiration is further exemplified by their desire to gather en masse at Tip-rarely Station to witness the first landing! A spokesman for the Drivers said that once the Islander touched down in Tip-rarely all the railways problems would be solved!
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All joking aside one of the biggest boosts to the marketing of rail services on lines like Limerick - Waterford would come from higher speeds and shorter
journey times. An increasingly frequent justification by the RSA for speed restrictions is the number of level crossings including of course farmers crossings
on a particular section. The Limerick Junction to Waterford Section has its fair share.
According to recent report there are 1073 live level crossings on the system while almost a thousand have been extinguished by IE within the last ten years, and that's a fair achievement. TTC0169 on another thread has reported that "there are 268 level crossings between Athlone and Westport-(their are 27 alone in the first mile or so out of Athlone......!!!!) and 70 on the 20 mile Ballina branch" Credit is due to the PR Department in IE for the raising of awareness of level crossings safety and the related issue of bridge strikes. They are on the air and media constantly in this regard. Lives have been saved without a doubt. The concept of a National Awareness Day is to be welcomed and the naming and shaming through court prosecutions of mis-users, as with illegal dumping will have to continue. In these times of lowering expectations of compensation levels and land/construction prices, perhaps an opportunity exists under the new multi billion Rural Development Programme to provide resources for the abolition of as many as possible of these crossings over the next five years. I understand that IE are themselves resourcing the current programme of such work but I would question why the costs should all be carried by IE. After all there is a benefit to the farmer also in providing a less stressful, safer and more accessible method of going from one field to another. Of course there may be a residue of crossings that cannot be addressed by barriers, underpasses or over bridges and these will have to be covered by CCTV to police abuse and perhaps they will also need to be interlocked once the section within which they are located is occupied by a train. Expensive technology no doubt but the expenditure would give a far greater return in my view than experimentation with hybrid rolling stock. Such initiatives by IE should be rewarded by the Rail Safety Authority through their relaxing their attitude to line speeds. One test of their resolve would be to take a particular section where CWR has recently been laid with state of the art signalling, and there no shortage of options, remove all crossings and see what maximum speed could be negotiated. Incidentally, I understand that in the 17 miles from Athenry to Tuam there is one road and 4 farmers crossings -compared with 70 on the Ballina Branch. This is another example of the foresight of Dargans design and construction methods. |
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I presume that the 1073 "live" level crossings includes private crossings, i.e. crossings where a private lane or avenue gives access to a farm. Are
ordinary farm crossings included in the total (i.e. where there are 2 gates to fields on opposite sides of the track, typically where the railway divides a
farm)?
Surely the only crossing where barriers and lights protected by signals are warranted are these on public roads, even then some public roads might be so little used as to not warrant such a level of protection. For some reason the Sligo-Leitrim-Mayo region not only has a lot of crossings, but also a lot of delinquent behaviour, such as leaving gates open on private crossings (see latest IRRS Journal for more info). Not only that, but on the Ballina branch, when IE proposed to replace 3 adjacent corssings with one, there were several local objections, despite a recent fatality. What is it with some people? |
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I don't understand the preoccupation with crossings to be honest. Why can't they be regarded in the same way where a minor road joins a major road? The
trains have right of way, full stop and if people are fool enough ignore this, on their own heads be it.
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trackie1 |
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It is a pity that this line is once again under threat just like it was in the late 90's. A lot of investment in track has been put in and now almost half
of the line has been relayed. Sometimes it appears that the line is closed almost every week for some period to facilitate relay work.
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My girlfriend's from Carrick-on-Suir so I've been on this train a good bit more than I would normally have been in the past year. I love the service, I
think it's great. From my experience each train would have about 20 people on it. Locals are realizing it's there, but only gradually and usually
because of word of mouth. The prices are rock bottom from Carrick to Dublin, but a total rip off from Dublin to Carrick. The online prices are nothing short of
a joke! (€50 EACH WAY!!!) They seem to be based on the fact that part of the journey is on the Cork train.
My recommendations would be simple and easy to implement. First off: Sunday service! Even one train! If I go down of a Friday evening, I'll need to get a lift to Waterford for the return on Sunday which is a total pain in the swiss. Then, a simple flyer for the locals tailored to their local station showing exactly where they can go using their local train station. ie. services to waterford, services to Limerick Junction and what services connect. A list of local attractions at each local station. Easy. Those simple steps would do the world of good as far as I'm concerned. -jp |
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The website will happily sell you a ticket from Dublin to Waterford (via Limerick Junction) at the Waterford fare, saves around €30 each way !
Despite extended periods of disruption (for relaying) my observations would suggest that there has been a steady increase in usage and that a significant, if modest, business has built up between Clonmel and Dublin. Given the absence of suitable services for students and commuters, the lack of through services between Limerick & Waterford and the obvious disinterest of the operator it is remarkable that the line is as well used as it is. |
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My recommendations would be simple and easy to implement. First off: Sunday service! Even one train! If I go down of a Friday evening, I'll need to get
a lift to Waterford for the return on Sunday which is a total pain in the swiss. Then, a simple flyer for the locals tailored to their local station showing
exactly where they can go using their local train station. ie. services to waterford, services to Limerick Junction and what services connect. A list of local
attractions at each local station. Easy. Those simple steps would do the world of good as far as I'm concerned
Only problem with that is that it would cost the company a good bit more money I'd say... All the signalmen on the route which I would imagine would be around 12, will all demand an upgrade for extra hours and the drivers will too, simple principles. Don't know how the drivers in Cork haven't objected to going to Midleton yet?! |
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gswr |
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Irish Rail 201: There are 3 block posts between Waterford and Lim Jcn, and Tipperary may soon be closed. So what's it with 12 signamen? 1 shift on Sunday
for 2 or 3 signalmen is what you will need. Drivers routinely drive on Sundays: should be no real difference if they are driving through CLonmel as opposed to
Thurles. Crossing keepers may be more of a problem, but I am getting a bit tired of the lack of a "can do" attitude on this question. For
heaven's sake it is the only line in the country closed on Sunday!
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Redstarcastles |
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As I suggested before, would a direct curve at the junction with direct connections to Dublin not help? Certainly what lines from Dublin are under threat?
New crossover would cost ? 2 million?
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gswr |
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Redstarcastles: it the current financial situation, you can forget about projects such as direct curves: the most you can hope for is that existing assets are
used to their full potential, and that means catering to weekend traffic whihc at present is simply thrown away.
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gswr wrote:It would be possible to dispense with the signalmen at Clonmel and Carrick simply by replacing the ETS with Key Token instrucments in a cabinet on the platform, removing the semephore signals and converting the loop points to trailable operation., There should be no problem with a safety case a the Central Wales and Exteter Barnstaple line have been worked under such an arrangement for over 20 years. John |
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Irish Rail 201: There are 3 block posts between Waterford and Lim Jcn, and Tipperary may soon be closed. So what's it with 12 signamen? 1 shift on
Sunday for 2 or 3 signalmen is what you will need. Drivers routinely drive on Sundays: should be no real difference if they are driving through CLonmel as
opposed to Thurles. Crossing keepers may be more of a problem, but I am getting a bit tired of the lack of a "can do" attitude on this question. For
heaven's sake it is the only line in the country closed on Sunday!
As I would regard it very unlikely that just one signalman in each block would work every Sunday for the remainder of ETS on the line... Roughly there are 3 signalmen in each box. Each one would "request" more money I would assume, therefore 3 in Carrick, 3 in Clonmel, 3 in Tipp and 3 in the Junction (possibly 6 there though). adding up to roughly 12 (not including the other 4 at the Jctn). I include the junction as in every aspect of the railway if somebody gets more money the same grade on the same line try to request more money! Simple as. |
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gswr |
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Irish Rail 201: I assumed that signalmen would be paid when working on a Sunday: this means 3 at any given weekend, not 12. As for the Junction, it is
open on Sundays anyhow, so no change there. As for your comment: "in every aspect of the railway if somebody gets more money the same grade on the
same line try to request more money!" well, that says it all. We appear to have an organisation riddled with restrictive practices and a mentality
that seeks to extract money from any change to working conditions, even when these may be necessary for survival.
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