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GM 134	Cement Question	Lead	[-]
Posts: 137 (12/07/08 20:57:04) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None Hi All, This is going to be a complete long shot, but it's worth a try!! I have at last seen sense and have been cataloguing my photos, I was checking thru my database when I stumbled across this, and I'm wondering weather anyone here could help me out. On Wednesday 12th July 2006 I observed 072 arrive into North Wall with the cement, according to my notes "072 arrived into NW @ 16.07 with 27 ety Bulks and then depated LE for Inchicore" I put it down as the 11.50 ex Cork cement running early, however later on that evening I took a spin out to Portarlington and was very surprised to get 079 with an up empty cement ex Cork running very late, "079 thru Port heading with 7 ety bogie cement, passed at 20.05 heading North" I don't think 072 was working an ex Platin cement, as I observed that arrive and depart earlier in the day with a pair, so I'm curious as to what 072 worked?? A few days previous I observed 146+160 work the ex Waterford-N.Wall cement, however that didn't arrive into Kildare until 16.27 and didn't depart until 16.44, behind the 14.30 ex Cork passenger, so if 072 was working an ex Waterford cement it was running very early. Did anyone observe 072 in the Waterford/Cork area around that time, or did anyone see a cement hauled by 072 on that day?? Any help would be greatly appriecated, Regards, GM 134
h gricer		#1	[-]
Posts: 302 (05/11/08 20:48:44) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	GM134 I'v scanned a lot of notes and I'v no idea, but sounds like an ''out of path Cork cement'' 11.50 wouldn'd reach NW that early. Anyway back to the present, the no1 concrete cement silo at Cabra finally came down today with a bit of effort, the rumour going round at the weekend that explosives might be used, but in the end it didn't happen, maybe too near the houses on Carnlough rd, no2 was demolished last week and no3 collapsed on top of a cement train in 1992, in a lot of railtour brochures they say cement traffic ceased at Cabra after the silo collapsed which is total nonsense, (never let a good yarn get in the way of a good story) no2 silo was refurbish and cement trains returned for another 7years, the last train ran on 11th December 1999. The No1 silo was a solid structure, made from mass concrete, a giant structure, with great views from the top, dating back to 1966, it came down today, the skyline at Cabra is changed forever. Regards h.gricer
Railcargricer1		#2	[-]
Posts: 400 (05/11/08 21:18:12) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Very interesting. Yes unfortunately some railtour brouchures get it wrong leading to "yarns". I wonder will the old yard be disconnected, rumours were abound around the time the extra 29000s arrived that the site would be used for a light servicing depot for Sligo and Rosslare line DMUs.
h gricer		#3	[-]
Posts: 304 (06/11/08 20:33:55) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Railcargricer1 wrote: Very interesting. Yes unfortunately some railtour brouchures get it wrong leading to "yarns". I wonder will the old yard be disconnected, rumours were abound around the time the extra 29000s arrived that the site would be used for a light servicing depot for Sligo and Rosslare line DMUs. Railcargricer1 In time I surpose the old yard will be disconnected, nothing ever came of the ''29000 service depot'' more rumours about security reasons was absolute nonsense which I would put down to social snobbery by a few ignorant individuals, vandalism and criminal damage will happen everywhere in the world when there is a weak link in security, RPSI coaches got burned in Whitehead, 141class locomotives got windows broken in Gort, the ITG suffered vandalism in Carrick-on-Suir, the list just goes on and on......................... But back to nice old Cabra, now was there a station planed for the Fassaugh Road end, the yard today looked nice and bright, No1 silo no longer cast a long dark shadow, the noise from shunting cement trains and the dust, ya the dust, tis now only a memory. Regards h.gricer
GM 134		#4	[-]
Posts: 182 (08/11/08 01:48:26) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Many thanks for that h.gricer, mystery solved!! I wasn't sure if it was a Waterford or Cork, didnt see 072 based in Waterford around that time, think it was working out of Inchicore on passenger if memory serves me correctly!! Tis a pity that Cabra is now gone, but looking at it it would have seemed a like good idea at the time to put up tempory cement Silos at NW for the "O2" rebuild and for all them flats that took over from what was once a thriving freight yard, oh I do like "progress" Kind Regards, GM 134
Mayner		#5	[-]
Posts: 209 (08/11/08 03:45:51) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	h gricer wrote: GM134 I'v scanned a lot of notes and I'v no idea, but sounds like an ''out of path Cork cement'' 11.50 wouldn'd reach NW that early. Anyway back to the present, the no1 concrete cement silo at Cabra finally came down today with a bit of effort, the rumour going round at the weekend that explosives might be used, but in the end it didn't happen, maybe too near the houses on Carnlough rd, no2 was demolished last week and no3 collapsed on top of a cement train in 1992, in a lot of railtour brochures they say cement traffic ceased at Cabra after the silo collapsed which is total nonsense, (never let a good yarn get in the way of a good story) no2 silo was refurbish and cement trains returned for another 7years, the last train ran on 11th December 1999. The No1 silo was a solid structure, made from mass concrete, a giant structure, with great views from the top, dating back to 1966, it came down today, the skyline at Cabra is changed forever. Regards h.gricer Hi h gricer. Did IE/CIE ever sell the site to a developer it was given as the excuse for closing the depot in 1999? Personally despite receiving two trains daily its days were numbered with the opening of the N50 extension from the Toll Bridge to the N2. Pity no one in CIE had the foresight to develop Clondalkin or Lucan as a West Dublin railhead in the 1970s John
h gricer		#6	[-]
Posts: 306 (08/11/08 22:29:41) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mayner wrote:Hi h gricer. Did IE/CIE ever sell the site to a developer it was given as the excuse for closing the depot in 1999? Personally despite receiving two trains daily its days were numbered with the opening of the N50 extension from the Toll Bridge to the N2. Pity no one in CIE had the foresight to develop Clondalkin or Lucan as a West Dublin railhead in the 1970s John Hi John The boundary fence at Cabra in the depot marks the land that was solded and retained, its well illustrated in this cover photo of EireRailwayImages link http://www.eirerailwayimages.fotopic.net/ that photo was taken as resent as Friday 20th June 2008, I was standing beside the photographer when he took the photo (also got his autograph while I was at it, strike when the poker is hot lol!) In the photo you can see the impressive no1 silo and the slightly smaller no2, no3 is gone since 1992, you can also see the development work on the other side of the fence, the land that was solded, this side of the fence with the disused sidings is still in C.I.E. ownership. Don't get me going on the west Dublin freight development plan, if there was ever a plan, close the Holyhead Yard and move to Clondalkin west Dublin, well we know what happen there, half the plan happened and the other half was torn up...................................................... Regards h.gricer
gswr		#7	[-]
Posts: 292 (12/11/08 09:21:26) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	hg: at the risk of getting you going on the West Dublin freight plan, was it the case that locals in the Clondalkin area objected to a freight yard in the area because of noise and truck traffic? And their objections were apparently all too successful. Reminds me of the NIMBYs in Portmarnock, who if they get their way would forever stymie the development of Dublin airport.
irishRail201		#8	[-]
Posts: 547 (12/11/08 17:16:57) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The boundary fence at Cabra in the depot marks the land that was solded and retained, its well illustrated in this cover photo of EireRailwayImages link http://www.eirerailwayimages.fotopic.net/ that photo was taken as resent as Friday 20th June 2008, I was standing beside the photographer when he took the photo (also got his autograph while I was at it, strike when the poker is hot lol!) While I'd like to apologise for not checking my shot at Adamstown to see that it was 071 and not infact 073 whoops... Time to take cover... But I'll be on the lookout (but better than that day and I'll see what's coming). Lol
EdEMD		#9	[-]
Posts: 200 (19/11/08 11:10:50) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	What are the days/timings of cement trains now, particularly between North Wall and Platin. Have another days photography planned at Drogheda so dont want to just be taking pics of railcars.... Its spelt HEUSTON station. Gricing is defined as watching, no more http://www.modelrailways.ie http://eds.fotopic.net
MGH2		#10	[-]
Posts: 137 (19/11/08 12:42:53) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	was it the case that locals in the Clondalkin area objected to a freight yard in the area because of noise and truck traffic? No, I don't believe the plan ever got to that stage. I believe the main stumbling block was that the main promoter unfortunately died. My memory is fuzzy on this but I think it was one of the Gunnes of estate agent fame? Mark
irishRail201		#11	[-]
Posts: 557 (23/11/08 14:44:56) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Ed the honest answer to that is nobody knows the cement still runs whenever it feels like but if somebody eg.Commuter 29422 sees it though Raheny @ lets say 1240, it'll be in and around that time through Raheny for the week, ya have to work it out. Looking at the Commuter timetables would also give a pretty good indication.
loco2000	cork cement	#12	[-]
Posts: 16 (18/12/08 20:01:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Any info on wheather the Cork cement is still operating. I saw some of the bogie cement wagons in Limerick recently, maybe they might run from there.
metrovick001		#13	[-]
Posts: 471 (18/12/08 23:41:52) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Cork cement has ceased unfortunatly. Its the new age railway now, no freight south of Port!!
jhb171achill		#14	[-]
Posts: 348 (26/12/08 21:22:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Or north, west or east of it!
irishRail201		#15	[-]
Posts: 580 (31/12/08 20:06:22) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Or north, west or east of it! Only the Norfolks and the Timber.
Wilkinstown		#16	[-]
Posts: 294 (14/01/09 20:55:15) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Have any cement trains in 2009 ?
metrovick001		#17	[-]
Posts: 487 (14/01/09 22:13:30) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As far as I am aware, a single Tullamore cement ran last week & maybe one so this week
UKTrainSpotter		#18	[-]
Posts: 78 (14/01/09 23:01:25) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Is there anything coming from Platin these days? "....because the public need protecting!"
ttc0169		#19	[-]
Posts: 162 (14/01/09 23:58:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Platin supplies Tullamore from what i hear.
Csalem		#20	[-]
Posts: 795 (15/01/09 11:05:19) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	One train ran last week on the Northern Line that I know off. In fact it upset me as it swapped paths with a Tara, and as a result I left my location too early and saw it pass by when I got home. Rail Scene Ireland "The sound of the can opener is the only thing that makes me feel truly alive."

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