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IanWalshTours	Preservation or Scandal?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 121 (03/05/08 23:46:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None To all who are interested... I believe 123 is being scrapped in the next few days and also being joined by no other than the oul reliable 015 after all the years sinking into the ground. What a shame,it really is. It should have been in Waterford a long time ago. I am sure 123 could be restored very easily. The Future's Bright,The Future's Orange
harcourtst		#1	[-]
Posts: 184 (03/05/08 23:58:27) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As I've said elsewhere no matter what poor state the loco is in I always thought loco 123 might last long enough to become preserved by somebody, static or whatever. Real shame if it scrapped, particularly along with 015, as much as I hate to say sometimes I feel that that loco should have been put out of its misery ages ago, particularly after so many years of how its been treated!
EdEMD		#2	[-]
Posts: 92 (04/05/08 00:49:29) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah 015 should be let go, its donated everything useful already to 003 and 039 bar its bogies, but almost 13 years of outdoor storage around Inchicore has taken its toll. Im just glad now 001 got the chop when it did and hasnt befallen the same fate. If it was the sole survivor (like 103) save it but otherwise let it go Also it might be punishment for the 'A15 group' after their carry on within Inchicore. Its spelt HEUSTON station http://www.modelrailways.ie Last Edited By: EdEMD 04/05/08 00:53:10. Edited 1 times.
Deeper Underground		#3	[-]
Posts: 54 (04/05/08 22:07:32) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Looked closely at 015 a month ago - horrible. Best put out of it's misery. Almost as bad as Hunslet 101 in fact.
Mayner		#4	[-]
Posts: 114 (05/05/08 09:18:31) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Just curious whats state is the original Sulzer B11? and the last AEC railcar in these days. Surely IE could find some allocation to store them under cover or some one have the witt to get the National Museum take them in their care!? John
Losty Dublin		#5	[-]
Posts: 170 (05/05/08 10:39:25) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mayner wrote: Just curious whats state is the original Sulzer B11? and the last AEC railcar in these days. Surely IE could find some allocation to store them under cover or some one have the witt to get the National Museum take them in their care!? John IE are hard pressed to find shed space to store loco's that are in service, let alone those that are not. The museum is a sore topic even today, best not to drag that wound up if possible. Last time I saw the Sulzer would have been on the ITG tour last year, I am sure one of their members can give a better update at to how she is faring.
harcourtst		#6	[-]
Posts: 187 (05/05/08 12:05:15) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yeah I was thinking AEC 6111 could be heading for the scrap too, it's in similar poor external condition to that of 015. With Sulzer B113, it's lucky it got a repaint in 1996, which has kept it looking in ok shape from what I've seen, but last time in Inchicore this stock was been stored out in the open with little or no shelter.
2900 Railcar		#7	[-]
Posts: 46 (05/05/08 12:23:53) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	B113 and 6111 were moved back inside a disused shed in the last week or two, they are well protected from the ellemants.
jhb171achill		#8	[-]
Posts: 47 (16/05/08 14:29:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I heard that B113 may be going to Cultra, but I have no idea whether this is accurate. Anyone know?
irishRail201		#9	[-]
Posts: 455 (17/05/08 21:37:54) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Last time I saw the Sulzer would have been on the ITG tour last year, I am sure one of their members can give a better update at to how she is faring. I think they're talking 'bout the Origional sulzer built up in Inchicore during the 50s Losty.
MidlandDeltic		#10	[-]
Posts: 342 (18/05/08 14:28:17) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	2900 Railcar wrote: B113 and 6111 were moved back inside a disused shed in the last week or two, they are well protected from the ellemants. B113 is half in that shed :-) - one end well visible from passing trains. Sean
scaniaps	Museum Premises	#11	[-]
Posts: 140 (19/05/08 13:26:47) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Surely Messrs. Smurfit, Magnier etc. could drop a bit of loose change for the erection of a simple steel framed structure at a suitable railway location for the storage of representative items of our railway heritage. Does anybody know if they have even been approached?
dmcronin		#12	[-]
Posts: 30 (10/06/08 12:58:09) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	That's the thing about this country. We don't have any Pete Watermans, horse breeding being a lot more fashionable...and profitable.
jhb171achill		#13	[-]
Posts: 104 (10/06/08 19:38:02) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I know of two very major businessmen who have been approached for things like this in recent years. Neither replied to the enquirer, though one verbally wished the project well. As stated, no Pete Watermans in this country. When I win the Euromillions, there will be a replica working order MGWR mail engine at Whitehead.....and a fleet of carriages constructed to modern standards but cunningly disguised as teak GNR six wheelers....
217 RIVER FLESK		#14	[-]
Posts: 27 (10/06/08 20:38:41) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Surely the biggest scandal in preservation is the lack of an operational 5'-3" line in the Republic? Museums have their place, but to me whilst they may contain gleaming examples of (well they might if again the Republic had one) locos, coaching stock etc, they are dead, cold places with as much soul as a domestic fridge. No scrub that, fridges to have a soul as they have that one important something - they are 'alive' or put another way, they are doing they job that they were munufactured for. I doubt anyone has ever walked in to a railway museum & instantly fallen under the spell of railways, to do that, you need the items to be working. Any steam loco that has been allowed to go cold or diesel that has been shut down is just a lump of metal, but put a fire in it's boiler or in the case of a diesel press the start button & things change totally. Metal starts to get hot, oil starts to varourise, the products of cumbustion are released & finally the monster starts to talk & those who can understand it's language listen. Even coaching stock is dead in a museum, but put it in to service & it will play it's own tune as the doors are opened & shut etc Wagons do the same as their buffers touch & couplings snatch. I say again what is needed is an operational railway, not a museum, but as to why there isn't one? I've heard it said by others & I'm inclined to agree, I just don't think that it's in the Republics 'blood', Ireland after all wasn't noted for it's heavy engineering on mass. Look at other forms of transport, do you see masses of buses, cars, lorrys, canal boats being preserved? I rest my case. As to what I'd do if I'd won the lottery, well I'd stay away from replicas - my own personal dislike, what has gone has gone forever, far better to save what does exist as this does at least have a historical 'history'. Now all I have to do is work out which abanded line I'm going to open. Mike C PS Now here's a daft question: In the UK all preserved lines operate in the 'eyes of the law' as a 'light railway' with a maximum speed limit of 25mph. In the Republic I believe that the equivilent of a 'light railway' doesn't exist, so does this mean when I have my line open, I could run my trains at what were their previous operational speed?
Mayner		#15	[-]
Posts: 132 (13/06/08 07:10:00) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Mike C PS Now here's a daft question: In the UK all preserved lines operate in the 'eyes of the law' as a 'light railway' with a maximum speed limit of 25mph. In the Republic I believe that the equivilent of a 'light railway' doesn't exist, so does this mean when I have my line open, I could run my trains at what were their previous operational speed? Oh but there are "light railway" in Ireland the Tuam-Claremorris line is a light railway but no 25mph restriction. It was built to the same standards as most secondary main lines with a 50mph line limit in CIE days. Basically once you convince the Rail Safety Comission that your paperwork is right, you can build a line to operate at whatever speed you like. Its just a lot more expensive in terms of design fees and costs than a line with a low speed limit . The legislation is whats called performance based the applicant has to prove to the comission that the system is safe, rather than having to satfisfy a perscribed list of requirements as in the regulations. John
217 RIVER FLESK		#16	[-]
Posts: 28 (13/06/08 08:01:58) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi John, Thanks for clearing that one up. Cheers, Mike C
Connaught Ranger		#17	[-]
Posts: 266 (24/06/08 09:27:03) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I hear 015 is destined for the West Clare Railway! Preservation in good ol' Eire is strange!!
Railcargricer1		#18	[-]
Posts: 331 (24/06/08 23:10:45) Full Member Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Good god. Well to anyone who went into Paddy Power in Kilrush in 1961 and bet on seeing an A Class in Moyasta its your lucky day! Its ok. I won't tell your mates you griced a railcar..........again

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