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Losty Dublin |
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Ardvarna wrote: Not really, considering that we never see a Mark 3 anymore
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Platform10 |
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There are now (unfortunately) only 4 Mark 3 sets left in service, the rest are in storage.
The standard consists are 3 sets of seven coaches (including gen van) and one of eight coaches (incl. gen van). Whether there are coaches outside of these consists available (i.e. serviceable) to strengthen any of these sets to a nine piece I am not sure. |
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I understand, incidentally, that there were more auxiliary services operated over the last few weeks into and out of Galway than were in the public timetable
to cope with the loadings.
However, I think it was unfortunate that, perhaps a couple of 2700s were not borrowed from Cork (given the 22K has taken over the Kerry route) to operate an all-day Athenry/Galway shuttle during the peak periods. |
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Sadly that wouldn't be too easily done as Cork has typically been putting out 2 car 2700s on the opposite link to the 22000 on some peak services as some
units are away in Inchicore having long overdue heavy maintenance carried out on gangways, engines and bogies while some vehicles seem to have transferred away
to Limerick to strengthen services there. Now that there are 2x 22000 theoretically 4x2 car 2700s are displaced but its hard to see where they are being used
at present. Also until the WRC opens 2700 driver knowledge is confined to Cork, Mallow, Tralee, Limerick, Waterford, Rosslare and Drogheda drivers. With the
WRC going over to 2700s on opening it will see Athlone, Galway and I'd imagine Westport and Ballina drivers trained as supply of the Ballina branch train
will surely switch to Limerick depot and 2700s with the 2600s largely gone from Drogheda to Cork by that stage. It is a major drawback with the different DMU
types that the earlier series cannot be easily utilised in alien parts of the country so to speak.
The 29000s in particular would be extremely useful for football specials and are generally available at weekends. Driver knowledge is likely available from Inchicore, Connolly, Longford, Sligo, Rosslare, Drogheda, Dundalk, Waterford and Portlaoise and funnilly enough Galway of all places since the 1220 Su.O was formerly a 29000 working. But on the subject of MK3s the 1435 Galway was the last bastion of 9MK3s it is now worked by a 6ICR with a 3ICR following behind as an auxiliary when required. Most services these days simply don't require long trains, I travelled on the 1505 Ex Galway several weeks ago and it had a nice crowd out of Galway and busy out of Athlone but still had 10 or so spare seats arriving Portarlington. The economics of the service now have to be impressive with 3 ICR versus 8MK3+201 with possibly 1/4 the staffing costs alone.
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Fair point re the 2700s RG1.
It's just a pity that perhaps something like an Athenry/Galway shuttle was not implemented - the traffic in Galway was simply mental! |
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Platform10 wrote: It was suggested to IE about 12 months ago when the Volvo Festival was first annouced but when did they ever listen to common sense...an ideal platform to announce commuter travel in the Galway area.... give 'em enough rope!
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Losty Dublin |
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Not having ever been in the town but could Athenry station and it's local roads cope with the traffic into and out of the town were a shuttle to run in and
out of it?
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Burma Rd |
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I was one of the 250/300 people on platform 1 in Athenry on the Bank Holiday saturday. I like a lot of other people though the train would have been the ideal
mode of transport to the city centre with easy access to the race village. The frist train was due to arrive at approx 9.30, and a sceond at 9.50, thus I felt
Id have a good chance at´getting a seat and it would be a much better option than getting the park and ride bus as I had a buggy and my 2 year old with me.
How wrong I was....the first train was a dublin service which they routed through the loop and didn´t stop as it was full (but not over crowded). We were then assured that yjere were plenty of spaces on teh following service from Athlone, whihc duly arrived 25 minutes or so later, with just a handful of seats available. As i was standing on the platform an IE employee passed and I gave my concerns about the crowd fitting onto an all ready 95% full train, the response was "ah we´ll all be grand". I went to the end of the train as I felt there maybe a better chance of getting a seat, lucky for me the a door stopped right where I was standing and I was able to get a seat for myself and family, but then everybody crowded into the aisles and gangways. It was totally unsafe especially with so many kids and how IE let this train go so overcrowded was a concern. We slowly made our way to Galway where we enjoyed a fabulous day which was excellently organised for all ages and pleasure to witness that such an event could be handled as efficiently in ireland. The fact that IE couldn´t provide a service was shocking to say the least. Later we decided we catch the 1505 back as we figured the two evening services would be jammed based on the crowds. When we arrived we were faced with another massive queue for a 6 piece ICR and I reckon close to 600 plus people boarded with kids standing in gangways again in what was another dnagerously over crowded train. Meanwhile the mk3 set which had brought us in earlier that day sat on Galway all day doing nothing. My feelings were echoed by lots of other irate customers, with the majority stratching their heads as to how IE couldn´t provide a shuttle service to Athenry Ballinasloe, instead they felt the regular Dublin services on a bank holiday weekend would suffice. Railways are designed to cope with mass movement of people, unfortunately IE didn´t read the script. This was a massive opportunity missed by IE to promote railway travel into Galway especially the phase 1 of the WRC opening in Autumn (hopefully). The words piss up and brewery came to mind as I stood squashed on the Dublin bound ICR. I´m sure I wasn´t alone in my thinking. |
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I was on that Dublin train and it stop at Athenry but yes in the loop. There were not vast crowds in the stations between Athlone and Athenry where the Mark 3
started. To be fair to IÉ they did run extra trains and increased the car park sizes in some of the stations. And original estimates for the numbers visiting
Galway were around 100k not the 500k they got. The major disappointment was that the WRC was not open by May. Galway station can't cope with vast numbers
of trains these days (vast being more than 2!!!)
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irishRail201 |
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The standard consists are 3 sets of seven coaches (including gen van) and one of eight coaches (incl. gen van).
Last two spare sets in Cork have both been 6 piece. And then one at the moment is 6 piece. |
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0930 Cork - Dublin Heuston 216+5Mk3+EGV. Fully seated from Portlaoise. Slack and signal check infested run still managed to gain 10 minutes from Portlaoise to Heuston, but still arrived 5 late Sean
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The following MKIII sets were noted in traffic today:
8 MKIII: 7608 7168 7407 7157 7106 7144 7143 7146 05:05 Cork - Heuston 7 MKIII: 7609 7120 7123 7149 7132 7115 7140 07:05 Athlone - Galway 09:15 Galway - Heuston 16:15 Heuston - Ballina 7 MKIII: 7608 7168 7407 7157 7106 7144 7143 17:10 Heuston - Athlone. "Out of the chair." |
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Stored MK111 set at NW was resently shunted to the Dardinell siding no7 for a fire drill, Dublin Fire Brigade fire fighters being trained in how to deal in
a ''train crash'' situation. The shunting was done by pilot loco 175.
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I appreicate your MK3 posts Wanderer but please include the loco numbers
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h gricer |
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Locomotive 171 shunted the stored MK111s into another siding at North Wall today beside the 9stored timber wagons.
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As recently as last September I understand that Irish Rail had hoped to get funding for a fairly comprehensive refurbishment of about 40 Mk III vehicles. This would probably have been with an enhanced Enterprise service in mind, as well as having spares for the Cork line. Has this now definitely fallen through? I also understand that an order for 51 extra 22k vehicles was placed in or about last November, 17 three-car sets, apparently. Was this instead of the Mk III refurbishment? Is there any prospect of 22k sets (six-car with catering and 1st) being used to enhance the Belfast service? Finally, is there even a policy of maintaining about four MkIII sets in the medium term as Cork backups, etc? |
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As I understand it gswr, the plans are for 22K standby sets for the Cork services.
The additional 22K sets will be needed to operate the extra Kildare services, and to free stock from Longford/Dundalk services to facilitate operations to/from Pace. I'm not sure what's happening with regard to Belfast. |
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Have to remember that the Enterprise route is that it's a 50/50 operation and therefore anything that happens on it needs approval of IE, NIR and their two
respective governments. If the Mark 3 refurbishment was for the route I'm sure that half the Mark 3s would have to be sold to NIR first or something like
that.
Rail Scene Ireland - Come and see Steam loco 186 in 2009 Balbriggan!
Rail Scan Ireland - Remember when 208 and 209 were in NIR blue! "Are you willing to settle for an ordinary life? Or do you think you were meant for something better? Something special?" |
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It still seems an extraordinary waste that the Mk3 fleet looks set to rot away at various locations throughout the system. It is especially ironic that so
much of the fleet languishes in Dundalk while the adjacent mainline sees little more than a skeleton service. Whatever about an hourly Enterprise service, the
lack of any train between the 0800 and 1030 from Belfast is a major deficiency which has been painfully evident for many years. Is it really beyond the
capabilities and resources of IR/NIR to address this issue.
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