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MGH2 |
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That would be Flancare. I believe they're up to speed on recent developments.
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Ardvarna |
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I believe the new IWT Liner will start sooner than expected in about 8 to 10 weeks time.
Well done to IE, IWT, DFDS, Mayo Industries, Coillte and relentlessly resourceful West On Track. |
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secondlaststop |
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I was stuck on the dastardly M50 the other evening [there's still tailbacks despite the hype about the toll bridge] for about 25 mins trying to exit at the
Galway Road. For the want of something to do I began to count the articulated lorries passing in both directions. 51 did. That's about 2 a minute. Of
these, only 3 were carrying containers suitable for rail haulage. There was a myriad of rigid lorries, box vans, white vans and transits also - I didn't
count them
So, by my reckoning and taking the observation as a random sample, about 6% of the total articulated vehicle road haulage industry is suitable to transfer to rail. [or about 7 lorries off the M50 every hour in rush hour]. That would be a train load every 4 hours - going everywhere. It's great to see freight coming back to rail, but in reality - the odd container out of Clonmel does not a trainload make. DSE |
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Wilkinstown |
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If Irish Rail handled 6% of the freight market this would be a tremendous advance on the current position.
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secondlaststop |
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If there are 37 40/45 foot containers out there, yes I.E should be going after the business.
But back to my tailback story, if there are 2000 containers a day on the M50, are they all going to/from locations which are near to rail heads? DSE |
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MGH2 |
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DSE,
Nobody is suggesting some utopian situation where all freight goes by rail. As Ardvarna says though there is a sizeable percentage that is there for the taking. To my knowledge, IWT is not an organisation run by or for gricers and for them to pursue IE for getting on for four years in order to secure a service must mean that there are good business reasons for doing so. One has to wonder how many other IWTs could be found if freight business was marketed and pursued in the normal business sense. Mark |
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Wilkinstown wrote: In the 1970 & 80 it was estimated that CIE used to carry between 10-15% of the nations freight traffic in terms of tonnage, fairly typical levels by international standards given the size of the country, rail in North America and Australia carry a greater proportion mainly due to the size of the country, and the presence of heavy industry and above power station coal traffic. A large proportion of this was made up of bulk traffic from long closed heavy industries and mining, Silvermines, Quigley Magnesite, NET, Irish Sugar. Apart from Tara and rumours about Pallas Green where are the Paper and Pulp Mills, steel mills, smelters and coal mines needed to support a viable railfreight operation. Internationally many of IEs staples Beer distribution, bagged and bulk cement, fertiliser, oil distribution have long been lost to rail, in a sence the question is whether the lossess accruing from IE hanging on to so much marginal railfreight traffic undermined the long term viability of the railfreight business. Would it hve made any difference if IE had concentrated on its deep sea container and bulk freight business serving just a few destinations using high capacity wagons in the 1980s. John |
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secondlaststop |
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From the Dublin Port & Docks website the following:
Dublin is the leading RoRo port in Ireland, handling over 704,000 freight units in 2008. Dublin is Irelands main Lo/Lo port handling 678,000 TEU's [20' equivalent units] in 2008. The Lo Lo mode is growing at over 9% per annum and now accounts for 23% of total throughput. So there it is folks - That's whats going in and out of Dublin Port. The Ro-Ro is lost to rail unless it can be converted to Lo-Lo. I'm no expert on Ro-Ro but my guess is that they are 40 foot trailers or 1,404,000 TEUs - the largest share of the market. Like everything else in this blessed little isle, there's vested interests at play. If Government policy was to push road freight onto rail - by introducing a ban on certain roads leading into towns with railheads [except by permit, as in the case of the City of Dublin] - perhaps that would be a start. But I fear, we'll be a long time waiting. From another thread I read: Our Transport Minister is taking his usual keen interest in matters I see *181. To ask the Minister for Transport if his attention has been drawn to the plans to remove passing spaces and cut capacity on the Limerick to Waterford rail line to such an extent that services would have to be withdrawn; and if he will make a statement on the matter. - Ciara´n Cuffe. [19266/09] Minister for Transport (Deputy Noel Dempsey): This is an operational matter for Iarnród Éireann and I have no function in the matter. Reminder - There are elections coming up. YOU know what to do! DSE |
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metrovick001 |
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The question still remains, why do IE/CIE/DoT show such resistance to running block trains of freight, paid for by the customer regardless of whether or not the train carries a single box or not? Surely on a heavily subsidised railway a profitable operation should be welcome.
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MGH2 |
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So what if RoRo is a bigger market than LoLo? The fact remains that the LoLo element is still a huge potential source of traffic (and one which your figures show is growing). This is no different than in the UK where the FOCs have made great progress in securing some of these traffic flows. Mark |
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